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		<title>By: CHUNDER</title>
		<link>http://cheapshotguns.net/rubber-bullets-with-a-shotgun.html/comment-page-1#comment-4772</link>
		<dc:creator>CHUNDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t bother. 
Self Defense requires you to survive an attack. 
Rubber and salt rock loads may just get the criminal angry! 
Use real loads, and live.
Hope never have to find out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t bother.<br />
Self Defense requires you to survive an attack.<br />
Rubber and salt rock loads may just get the criminal angry!<br />
Use real loads, and live.<br />
Hope never have to find out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
		<link>http://cheapshotguns.net/rubber-bullets-with-a-shotgun.html/comment-page-1#comment-4766</link>
		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First question:  No, rubber bullets are generally not available to the general public but are for Law enforcement/government only.  These are for riot control not self-defense.

If you ever find yourself in a life-or-death situation and you aim to wound you will be sued and you could lose big regardless of what the bad guy was up to.  Why?  Because his attorney will say that you did not need to use deadly force, since his client is still alive and now crippled or disabled.  His attorney will say that you deliberately intended to punish, even torture his client and so you used less-than-deadly force.  If deadly force had been necessary because you really and truly feared for your life or the life of another you never would have used rubber bullets (or aimed to wound).

I know that no one wants to take a life but what I stated above pretty well tells it like it is in the real world. 

H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First question:  No, rubber bullets are generally not available to the general public but are for Law enforcement/government only.  These are for riot control not self-defense.</p>
<p>If you ever find yourself in a life-or-death situation and you aim to wound you will be sued and you could lose big regardless of what the bad guy was up to.  Why?  Because his attorney will say that you did not need to use deadly force, since his client is still alive and now crippled or disabled.  His attorney will say that you deliberately intended to punish, even torture his client and so you used less-than-deadly force.  If deadly force had been necessary because you really and truly feared for your life or the life of another you never would have used rubber bullets (or aimed to wound).</p>
<p>I know that no one wants to take a life but what I stated above pretty well tells it like it is in the real world. </p>
<p>H</p>
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		<title>By: CactiJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>CactiJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might as well take them out for good or they&#039;ll come back later to take you out. 

I think yiou can find some rubber bullets if you look online or ask your local gun shop. 

Good Luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might as well take them out for good or they&#8217;ll come back later to take you out. </p>
<p>I think yiou can find some rubber bullets if you look online or ask your local gun shop. </p>
<p>Good Luck!</p>
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		<title>By: big j</title>
		<link>http://cheapshotguns.net/rubber-bullets-with-a-shotgun.html/comment-page-1#comment-4768</link>
		<dc:creator>big j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may as well just buy yourself a baseball bat if you dont wanna kill someone if they are willing to kill you its cheaper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may as well just buy yourself a baseball bat if you dont wanna kill someone if they are willing to kill you its cheaper</p>
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		<title>By: Arkel D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arkel D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If somebody has a nail gun with 6 inch metal nails shooting at me, I&#039;m not going to get some rubber bands and shoot a rubber band gun at them.
That&#039;s what you might as well say in your question. I understand you not wanting to kill someone, but if you come at me to hurt me and I have a gun, you best believe you probably won&#039;t be living the next day. Shooting him with a rubber bullet, he&#039;ll probably get back up. Just use regular ammo and shoot him in the leg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If somebody has a nail gun with 6 inch metal nails shooting at me, I&#8217;m not going to get some rubber bands and shoot a rubber band gun at them.<br />
That&#8217;s what you might as well say in your question. I understand you not wanting to kill someone, but if you come at me to hurt me and I have a gun, you best believe you probably won&#8217;t be living the next day. Shooting him with a rubber bullet, he&#8217;ll probably get back up. Just use regular ammo and shoot him in the leg.</p>
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		<title>By: jracciato</title>
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		<dc:creator>jracciato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is so tremendously ill thought out, I can&#039;t believe that you posted it.

First, yes, you can get rubber buckshot or other non-lethal ammunition online easily. But it will KILL somebody at close range if it hits them somewhere vital.

Second, if you are in a situation where you had to use a firearm for self defense, you need to realize that you are using a lethal weapon. The courts really aren&#039;t going to care if you used buckshot or a beanbag round if the end result is the person is dead. So the lawsuit, assuming it gets that far, will be the same.

Third, if you are in a situation where you have to use a firearm to defend yourself, you do NOT aim for the leg, or the hand, or anything else. You are trying to stop a threat to yourself or others. You need to either be ready to stop that threat by whatever means you can, or be ready to let that person do whatever it is they are trying to do to you. There is no middle ground here. Either you are going to use lethal force or you are not. If you are not willing to do so, then you really shouldn&#039;t be considering using a firearm. 

Finally, most places here in the US don&#039;t require that you use your hands to fight somebody coming at you with their hands. That is just the kind of stupidity you find on the net. All that you have to prove is that a typical, reasonable person in your situation would have felt threatened or feared for their safety, or the safety of others. That&#039;s it. If somebody breaks into your house at night, and you blow him away, the only threshhold you need to meet is that of a reasonable person fearing for their safety. It doesn&#039;t matter if he was armed or not. If there was a reasonable chance in your mind that he might harm you or your family, too bad, so sad for the bad guy.

Based on your post, I really don&#039;t think that you are mentally ready for a shotgun. Especially not for self defense. If you insist on getting one, do us all a favor and take some firearms safety classes at your local range first. It really sounds like you need them. I am not trying to be insulting here, just stating my opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is so tremendously ill thought out, I can&#8217;t believe that you posted it.</p>
<p>First, yes, you can get rubber buckshot or other non-lethal ammunition online easily. But it will KILL somebody at close range if it hits them somewhere vital.</p>
<p>Second, if you are in a situation where you had to use a firearm for self defense, you need to realize that you are using a lethal weapon. The courts really aren&#8217;t going to care if you used buckshot or a beanbag round if the end result is the person is dead. So the lawsuit, assuming it gets that far, will be the same.</p>
<p>Third, if you are in a situation where you have to use a firearm to defend yourself, you do NOT aim for the leg, or the hand, or anything else. You are trying to stop a threat to yourself or others. You need to either be ready to stop that threat by whatever means you can, or be ready to let that person do whatever it is they are trying to do to you. There is no middle ground here. Either you are going to use lethal force or you are not. If you are not willing to do so, then you really shouldn&#8217;t be considering using a firearm. </p>
<p>Finally, most places here in the US don&#8217;t require that you use your hands to fight somebody coming at you with their hands. That is just the kind of stupidity you find on the net. All that you have to prove is that a typical, reasonable person in your situation would have felt threatened or feared for their safety, or the safety of others. That&#8217;s it. If somebody breaks into your house at night, and you blow him away, the only threshhold you need to meet is that of a reasonable person fearing for their safety. It doesn&#8217;t matter if he was armed or not. If there was a reasonable chance in your mind that he might harm you or your family, too bad, so sad for the bad guy.</p>
<p>Based on your post, I really don&#8217;t think that you are mentally ready for a shotgun. Especially not for self defense. If you insist on getting one, do us all a favor and take some firearms safety classes at your local range first. It really sounds like you need them. I am not trying to be insulting here, just stating my opinion</p>
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		<title>By: vangion</title>
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		<dc:creator>vangion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you seriously need to do some research on the law
if killing him is not justified then shooting him or even pointing the gun at him is not justified

if you think that there is even a remote glimmer of an idea that attempting to shoot him in the led is a good idea you need to seriously rethink your self defense measures

the mere act of pulling a gun is assault with a deadly weapon and a chargeable offense if he use of deadly force is not justified

if you use a gun for defense there is a real chance that someone will die
if you try to get cute with your ammo choices the possibility of it being you is greatly magnified

police do not use these round when being attacked or for self defense and only after they have had adequate time to assess the situation and have back up standing by

if you think that you will have any where near that kinda of time or back up you are living in a dream world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you seriously need to do some research on the law<br />
if killing him is not justified then shooting him or even pointing the gun at him is not justified</p>
<p>if you think that there is even a remote glimmer of an idea that attempting to shoot him in the led is a good idea you need to seriously rethink your self defense measures</p>
<p>the mere act of pulling a gun is assault with a deadly weapon and a chargeable offense if he use of deadly force is not justified</p>
<p>if you use a gun for defense there is a real chance that someone will die<br />
if you try to get cute with your ammo choices the possibility of it being you is greatly magnified</p>
<p>police do not use these round when being attacked or for self defense and only after they have had adequate time to assess the situation and have back up standing by</p>
<p>if you think that you will have any where near that kinda of time or back up you are living in a dream world</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can readily buy both rubber buckshot and rubber slug.  They will fire through most shotguns, but my not have enough force to cycle a semi auto.  Also note these rounds are still lethal.  Properly used they are to be fired towards the ground half the distance to the target for the shot to bounce to the target.

When it comes to self defense one can only legally fire when ones life is in danger!  Some states do have castle doctrine, as well as other laws on the books and you need to know these before you think about using your firearm as a defensive tool or take your chances with the law.

The problem arises with rubber buckshot or any gimmick load is for you to legally fire you have to be in fear of your life, but you have chosen a round you believe is less than lethal.  If you were to fire the prosecutor will ask why when faced with grave bodily harm or death did you use a rubber buckshot.

As for an unarmed aggressor attacking you while holding a firearm; you should very well believe the unarmed attacker has every intention of taking that firearm away from you and using it on you.  You then have every right, as long as your legally eligible to have the firearm where your at, in defending yourself.

You really to rethink why you want a firearm.  You seem to be more of &quot;I hope this will scare them away&quot; group, than I&#039;ll do everything to defend myself group.  Maciavelli wrote, &quot;Never do your enemy a minor harm.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can readily buy both rubber buckshot and rubber slug.  They will fire through most shotguns, but my not have enough force to cycle a semi auto.  Also note these rounds are still lethal.  Properly used they are to be fired towards the ground half the distance to the target for the shot to bounce to the target.</p>
<p>When it comes to self defense one can only legally fire when ones life is in danger!  Some states do have castle doctrine, as well as other laws on the books and you need to know these before you think about using your firearm as a defensive tool or take your chances with the law.</p>
<p>The problem arises with rubber buckshot or any gimmick load is for you to legally fire you have to be in fear of your life, but you have chosen a round you believe is less than lethal.  If you were to fire the prosecutor will ask why when faced with grave bodily harm or death did you use a rubber buckshot.</p>
<p>As for an unarmed aggressor attacking you while holding a firearm; you should very well believe the unarmed attacker has every intention of taking that firearm away from you and using it on you.  You then have every right, as long as your legally eligible to have the firearm where your at, in defending yourself.</p>
<p>You really to rethink why you want a firearm.  You seem to be more of &quot;I hope this will scare them away&quot; group, than I&#8217;ll do everything to defend myself group.  Maciavelli wrote, &quot;Never do your enemy a minor harm.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: McClintock</title>
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		<dc:creator>McClintock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a time arises that I need to defend my life, I am going to defend my life. 
I&#039;m not going to escalate the problem by pissing off a attacker  with rubber bullets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a time arises that I need to defend my life, I am going to defend my life.<br />
I&#8217;m not going to escalate the problem by pissing off a attacker  with rubber bullets.</p>
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		<title>By: A1</title>
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		<description>Rubber balls not bullets..... yes to buy for anyone.</description>
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