What (Pump Shotgun) and (Semi-Auto Pistol) and Semi-Auto Rifle) Are BEST for Home Defense!!?
May 19th, 2010 by eranio
What Makes and Models of all 3 Firearms would be the Best to Protect your love ones!!
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May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Don’t you just hate it when these random folks just waltz on in and start telling someone asking about a firearm to learn martial arts or call the police? ….. Some 300 pound Gorilla of a man pumped up on drugs is really going to be impressed than you can karate chop him….
Pump shotgun…. Mossberg 500, Remington 870. Whichever you like.
Pistol…. I like the Beretta 92FS, but Glock, S&W, Springfield, and others make great pistols, too.
Rifle…. AR15. Nothing beats it.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
none, call the cops…
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Statistically, firearms in the home usually cause more harm to the owners than good. It sounds like you’re anticipating a fair bit of conflict to have 3 different weapons for home defense. Have you considered a hand-held tazer, or learning martial arts?
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Firearms for Home Defense Handguns
Handguns are simply not the best choice of weapons to fight with. They are in fact convenient for concealed carry purposes in the public domain. They can win a fight if used effectively, but should not be considered the optimum choice, period. In the home they add a degree of portability, but with this added mobility also comes a degree of lacking. The process is a no-brainer: The less effective the tool is, the more likely it will have to be shot multiple times to resolve the issue at hand. The more you shoot, the more likely something will go wrong–sort of like fighting bees–one bee, maybe one sting, tour bees … You get the point.
Shotguns
Shotguns are often cumbersome if they are in Granddad’s goose-gun mode. Shorter barreled versions are somewhat more mobile inside the compressed areas of hallways and doorways but that issue is one that needs to be addressed in training prior to actual or possible application. They come in different versions operating as a pump action, semiautomatic, side-by-side or single barrel system. Pick one, as they are all pretty much the same give or take a loading drill. Of course some want to have a tube of buckshot stuffed under the barrel and this could require loading, lack of loading or down time, but the volume of shells available will not compensate for a lack of marksmanship. And the gun will be heavy. And the gun will still need to be aimed, as the patterns inside your home will be smaller than one might expect. Just pattern it at the range and that glaring issue will rear its ugly head. Two points will be certain, the gun will be empty quicker than you expect and, if you hit the threat with a load of anything from a shotgun of any gauge, they’ll know they are not playing laser tag. One thing for sure about a shotgun, it will physically remove meal and bone at short ranges.
Rifles
All things considered rifles are the way to fight if you must. They are powerful and will shoot though people and walls, so your weapons selection may need to take into consideration where and how you live. Split-level homes or residences where other family members are often at the other end of the living area will require a thoughtful shooter before launching .308 ball rounds down the length of the home should there be a fight. All of the high-speed magazine-fed rifles are OK with me although, all things considered and in perspective, I personally would rather not get shot by .30-30 from a 94 Winchester … personally. A local young mother here recently shot an intruder with a Model 70 in .30-06. It worked.
Ammunition
It should go without saying that in the defense of your family’s lives and yours you should use good ammunition but, so there is no misunderstanding, in defense of your family and your life, use good ammunition. Most weapons failures in our classes evolve around crap, surplus, cheap, improperly loaded, garbage stinkin’ ammo. I had a guy just pay me over $900 to shoot in a Precision Rifle school whose special handloaded to the grain, match grade made in his garage by him cool ammo wouldn’t go into the magazine of his $4,000 rifle because the projectiles were not seated correctly–read deep enough–so for a week we screwed around with the guy’s rifle and ammo, which would not go into the rifle’s internal magazine.
Buy and use good ammunition
While we are here, another small tactical nuance of a sort (the same thing applies to magazines): Garbage in, garbage out. Buy good ammunition and put it in good magazines.
Flashlights Hand Held / Gun Mounted
I have read the adage "rule the night" personally I think fighting in the dark is overrated. Fights occur often in low or altered light but as a homeowner I would do anything I could to illuminate the problem, which will probably be to my advantage, especially when you go to court. Buy quality lights such as examples from Streamlight and Surefire.
They are both good products and could serve different purposes but most of all they work. Handheld lights are probably the most prolific with gun-mounted lights a long ways back in second place as far as general use. I would practice with hand-held techniques as different types of techniques work to support different styles of shooting, although the bottom line is you better be able to identify the threat–and if it is one–before you press the trigger.
P.S I Honestly cant choose a good weapon since there are so many but if you follow what i wrote above im sure you will have a better understanding. Its nice to see people like you and I who make sure our friends and family is safe at all costs.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
I hate it when people plagiarize and then claim themselves as a source. Devan should be ashamed
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_7_51/ai_n13785376/
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Personally, MY ideal setup right now would be
1. Shotgun, I don’t like pumps for HD. I’ve short pumped the guns while bird hunting and I think an actual burglary would be 100x more stressful. I’d get a Beneli semi and a thousand rounds of ammo. (buckshot). I’d shoot at least half of it to make sure my gun was reliable. If it wasn’t, I’d change either my ammo or the gun. I have a Winchester 1300 bird gun, and I love it for birds.
2. Pistol, I love my Glock, but any brand name, full sized handgun will do the trick. I think double stacks have some nice advantages over the single stacks, but whatever. I’d get a couple thousands round of whatever ammo and shoot at least a 1000 rounds threw it. Get a good holster.
3. Rifle, Mine is a 16" barrel AR in .223 The shorter, the more maneuverable. I love my AR, I love the controls and how quickly you can feel everything, but I don’t think mine is "much" better than an AK or mini-14. My gun is reliable. I haven’t got to put as much rounds through it as I’d like (because of $$$) but I’m getting there. This isn’t a sub-MOA gun, it is a minut-of-bad guy. I have good mags and a sling (you need a sling for all your defensive long guns)
In the end, reliability is more important than anything else. All modern guns are reasonably accurate. Don’t expect a handgun to do a rifle’s job. I still stick with JHP’s in defensive handguns. Don’t really worry about what other people think of your stuff, just make sure it works. Become good with your guns. Know them like your own hand.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
What criminal do you intend to face that would require a bloody pump shotgun, for crying out loud…
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
There is no "best". There is what suits you. Sure there are guns with a higher quality than others but if you buy something that isn’t cheap junk your not really going to notice.
A handgun or a shotgun would work. Rifles are not the best option, they are the worst. Way to little room for error considering how many walls the round may go through if you miss.
You asked to vauge a question. Some people keep a handgun and shotgun handy. What they use specifically varies from person to person. Your asking of "best" shows you have little firearms knowledge.
Now this is the part where I get thumbed down. Really you need to go to a store and try out and see what suits you for a handgun. For a shotgun any model will work so long as it has an 18" defense barrel. Your probably going to wind up getting a mossberg 500 or remington 870 anyway.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Best is a relevant term. What ever you are most comfortable with and are also reliable are the best ones.
Either a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 are the choices for pumps. Remington has a longer reputation and is the most widely sold shotgun in history. Mossberg has passed extreme military testing and some prefer their safety placement over Remington’s. Both can be purchased with an 18 1/2" "security barrel along with a longer hunting barrel. Just stay away from pistol grips.
Everyone is going to list a different handgun based upon their own biases and experiences. Mine is Glock brand. I use the 10mm models which is pretty heavy duty.
Rifles are usually frowned upon for home defense because they can and will over penetrate walls, possible causing collateral damage. But one of the seemingly thousands of AR-15′s out there would be a good choice for a rifle. They are battle proven and a decent placed .223 or 5.56 round will take down an intruder.
Added: Starswarsguy, I live 45 minutes from the nearest law enforcement officers. Perhaps you have a suggestion for conversation with the meth head that breaks into my home in the middle of the night while I wait for the cops.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
shotgun 1300 winchester,, i am a wheel gun man so the would be 357 or 44 mag in smith an wesson,,i know the auto-loader have can a long way but i have never saw a jammed wheel gun,,
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Oh, please, I see someone has already told you about the 43% chance of killing a family member. Here’s the straight scoop-
Myth: Handguns are 43 times more likely to kill a
family member than a criminal
Fact: Of the 43 deaths reported in this flawed study, 37 (86%) were suicides. Other
deaths involved criminal activity between the family members (drug deals gone bad).148
Fact: Of the remaining deaths, the deceased family members include felons, drug
dealers, violent spouses committing assault, and other criminals.149
Fact: Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the
predator.150 This means you are much more likely to prevent a crime without bloodshed
than hurt a family member.
Please note that the study was about 43 shootings, not some percentage!
More to your question, YOU have to decide what works best for you. First and foremost, have a PLAN. I have an ambush position set up that pretty much makes me the winner, and I won’t have to take a shot that even approaches 20 feet at the longest. Shotguns–occasional use pump guns, properly maintained, you don’t need a lot. A Mossberg will work as well as a 1600 dollar tricked out tactical shotgun. Semi-auto pistol. In the dead of night I want something that works just like a revolver. SIGARMS P-229 in .357 SIG works for me. Semi-auto rifle. Collapsible stock AR platform rifle should do the job. Sound like you have some plans to make for your defensive perimeter, and some shooting and shopping to do.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Pump shotgun: Ithaca Model 37 in 12ga., with the barrel cut down to 20”. Loaded with #7.5, you’d have a slick, fast handling shotgun that just doesn’t quit… and looks good in front of a jury.
Handgun: Screw Semi’s. For HD, I’m packing my Redhawk loaded with Winchester Silvertips in .44 special.
Rifle: Forget it. It’s not worth accidentally killing your neighbor 500yds. away over.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
After spending years buying and selling guns that I didn’t like, I have settled on the following combination through many years of trial and error. A Rem 870 in 20 Gauge (my wife can easily shoot it) shooting 00 buckshot, a SIG P229 in 9mm shooting Hornady Critical Defense (the heavy stainless slide and full metal frame soak up all the recoil and most of the muzzle flip) and a piston driven AR in 5.56 with 20 round mags (the smaller mags make it easier to move around in tight quarters and the piston means it is ultra reliable).
So my kit is as follows:
Remington 870
Sig P229
Piston AR (I shoot a LWRCI upper on a Colt MForgery lower, but many people are happy to buy a pre-built piston AR like a Rob Arms XCR, the Ruger SR556, or the SIG AR516 or SIG556).
All this being said, my "kit" of choice when things go bump and I want to go investigate at night is my Sig P229 with a really bright flashlight (I’m fond of Surefire LED’s, but there are plenty of others out there). Easy to round corners, and it leaves the shotgun with my wife.
The rifle doesnt come out unless I am engaging raccoons, etc out the window, as the 5.56 round will easily overpenetrate and leave my home and pass into the next one in my subdivision. It would be bad to wound/maim/kill a neighbor.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
shotgun- mossberg 500 or remington 870, both 12 ga.
pistol- glock 22
rifle-AR 15 in .223
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
There is no, ‘best for home defense’ this or that. What do you shoot well; and what are you the most practiced with? THAT is what you should use.
Any brand name shotgun over $300.00 should do. In the right hands, any well-known semi-auto pistol at, or over, $450.00; or any TACTICAL CARBINE at, or above, $800.00 may, also, get the job done, too.
Somebody was talking about moving around the house at night on a, ‘What was that noise?’ seek and engage mission. Perhaps it should be mentioned that a ONE MAN CLEARANCE DRILL is the most highly dangerous self-defense activity any homeowner (including me!) could involve himself in.
PS: Never seen a wheel gun jam? Well, I certainly have! More than twice, too.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Benelli Super Nova Tactical 12Ga. shotgun, Glock Model 21 .45acp handgun, Colt AR15 Semi-Auto Rifle W/ 30 round mag should do you well.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Pump: Remington 870 in 12 ga. Semi-auto handgun: Dan Wesson .357 Magnum revolver. Semi-auto rifle: Any with a bayonet deployed.
May 19th, 2010 at 12:01 am
pump shotgun: Mossberg 500
semi auto pistol; Kel Tec PLR-16
semi auto rifle; any AK47 type
mossberg 500 because they’re the only ones ever to meet military spec, also i own one and it never failed
kel tec plr16 because that’s one hell of a serious pistol. basically a ar15 in a pistol package. Very light but also very controllable shooting .223, each bullet having the same energy of .44 magnum.
AK47 because I have one too, when bad guys see it they’re gonna leave before they get pumped full of lead. I’ve already done it 3 times to discourage B&E people from entering my house. They scrambled out of my yard and away from my car as fast as they could and let nothing stop their way, even after running into the patio furnishings and repeatedly hurt themselves. One actually wouldn’t stop falling over on the patio stuff. It was really funny. The patio stuff wasn’t harmed.